Reply to someone who Replied to my Argument

Date: Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:43 am Subject: Re: Argument

#1 - I had to post in this group for a philosophy class.

#2 - In the early days of humans, our average life expectancy was 20-30 years. It hasn't been until recently that we've discovered that eating a lot of red meat will lead to heart disease/cancer.

#3 - I didn't say that it was obvious that we need meat. I said, "It is obvious that meat is a part of our evolutionary history (look at canines and the difficulty of our stomach enzymes in breaking down cellulose), but it's becoming clearer everyday that we can still live without it." Read and comprehend before you attack.

#4 - I said, "Meat provides humans with the essential nutrients and amino acids that our bodies are unable to make by themselves."You replied, "You do not have any background or knowledge." I'm a biology/neuroscience major - take a class and you'll learn for yourself. This reminds me of something I said in my original post and in #3 - cellulose isn't what you see on women's thighs, it's a complex carbohydrate in the cell wall of most plants. Our bodies have difficulty breaking down these walls. This is why if you don't chew your corn, you can see it in your shit.

#5 - You said, "We don't need supplements." I never said you did. I have many vegan/vegetarian friends who take these vitamins in orderto achieve their body's essential nutrients. My girlfriend is vegan and I witness this all the time. The supplements aren't necessary -but my vegan buddies argue that it's much easier.

#6 - I said, "I'm too culturally locked into appreciating and enjoying meat." You replied, "you enjoy support the pain and suffering of other animals." Yes. Yes, of course I take personal pleasure in the murder of animals. It brings a smile to my face and a glimmer to my eye everytime I eat. I shouldn't have to point out that this is sarcasm, but I'm not too sure about you.

I was talking about culture. It is estimated that about 97% ofAmericans aren't vegetarian. An estimated 75% of the US believes in God. It's culture. I understand that the industrialization of meat is a horrible thing. I'm not too proud of how we obtain our meat. I said in my original post that I'd like to try the vegetarian thing. But so far in my life, there's been no need. I'd always been surrounded by meat, so I ate it.

#7 - You said, "Instead, learn and you might add years to your life." I'm not claiming to know all there is, but I'm comfortable enough in what I do know. If I were to become vegetarian, it wouldn't be to add years to my life. By the time I'm 80 and close to death, a few years aren't going to make a difference to me (maybe to other people it will). I'd rather enjoy life and everything in it before I waste away. If that means eating meat, then I'll eat meat. I don't eat a lot of red meat anyways, so heart disease and cancer shouldn't be a problem there.


Look man, I didn't come to this group to piss anyone off. I wanted to post a vague argument to fulfill my class assignment. I wasn't expecting you to flip out and attack my post. Being closed-minded is the first sign of ignorance. Listen to other people, and respect their opinions. Like I said before, read and comprehend before you attack. This should be a group with civil conversations regarding the pros and cons of the issue. You didn't have to stereotype me as some bumbling, meat-eating buffoon. Because in doing so, I've now stereotyped you as - well, I'd rather not say.




--- In vegans2@yahoogroups.com, Bob C wrote:>> It is not obvious we need meat. Any study of structural anatomytells us> that. And every longevity study ties meat in with heart diseasean> cancer. Why are you posting in this group?> ..wrote:>> > I completely respect those who are able to give up meatentirely. I> > don't believe they are weird; in fact, I admire them.> >> > But...> >> > Meat provides humans with the essential nutrients and amino acids> > that our bodies are unable to make by themselves.>>> You do not have any background or knowledge.>> >> > It is obvious that meat is a part of our evolutionary history(look> > at canines and the difficulty of our stomach enzymes in breaking> > down cellulose), but it's becoming clearer everyday that we can> > still live without it.> >> > With our currect technology and vitamin supplement capabilities> > we're able to say "bye-bye" to meat. So why don't we?> >> we don't need supplements.>> > I'm too culturally locked into appreciating and enjoying meat.>> you enjoy support the pain and suffering of other animals.>> > I> > would need to gather all of the replacement foods and try tofigure> > out if I could enjoy eating that way forever. Maybe I should dothat> > this summer and see if I can handle it.> >>> Instead, learn and you might add years to your life.>